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Hoka lost its focus

Hoka One One has lost its focus. In the first enumeration of 3 different shoes they made the finest there was. And promptly messed them up. The original Clayton, Clifton and Bondi were truly shoes to behold (the stories say). The one I was able to buy was the original Clayton. It came in at 7.8 ounces and is softer than the Bondi 5 at 12 ounces. The Clifton came in at the same weight and was softer still.

In the Bondi 5 it is firm and responsive. Its supposed to be soft and cushyThey completely forgot what they were supposed to be making. But maybe their mission statement is: “Sell as many shoes as possible at all costs!” And not: “Make the best shoe possible!” 

And that was the problem. With the Clifton being the best shoe ever made, there was no need for the Tracer, the Clayton or the Bondi. It was as light as any of them and softer than all! Hoka had no interest in satisfying the customer, they were about satisfying sales. That one shoe made 3 other models unnecessary. They could have stopped right there as far as neutral road shoes go. Mission accomplished.

Hoka isn’t the only company that goes backward in its shoe development, I saw the same thing with New Balance and the original Zante. In that case it was even more stark. The Zante was the lightest, the softest and the cheapest ($100). I was able to nab that one too on clearance for $60 bucks. New Balance’s 1080, which is supposed to be their “plush” ride, is in reality only their heaviest, and costliest at $150 dollars.

So there we come to it. The problem. The bottom line. You can’t continue to churn profits each quarter just making the lightest, softest, cheapest shoe out there. There’s no marketing buzz in that. You need the “new and improved” model each spring! Even though in reality all they are doing is making shoes harder, heavier and more expensive. 

[The only one who seems to be improving their shoe is Brooks. And that’s only with the Ghost and Glycerin line. The rest of their lineup is screwed up, but the Ghost is a shoe. The 10 is a dramatic improvement over the 6 & 8, and the 11 is supposed to up the game even more.]

(I ran into a review of the original Clifton at Sole Review of original Clifton . You can see from the score box its about the only shoe that hit the highest score for softness. In a men’s size 11 US they said it came in at 7.9 ounces! Unbelievable! The shoe had 3 minor flaws that could have been corrected without adding any weight. The toe box needed to be widened just a smidge. The tongue needed just a bit of padding. The sharp heel bevel needed to be shortened and squared off a hair to make it more stable. That’s it. They would have had the perfect shoe for eternity. Instead they chose to play this “harder and heavier” game. One year its this, the next year its that…)

[On an unrelated note, I was experiencing tight/sore hips and found some great exercises at Runners Connect that really made a difference after just completions (1 day on, 1 day off). Can’t imagine how much better they’ll be after a few weeks.]

Who can you trust? Running with wolves…

Never again! You drop $150 on a couple of pairs of running shoes (last years models on clearance) and find out after the first run they are crap. It wouldn’t be so bad, but you’ve been doing it off and on for 5 years. Ghost 8, Kinvara 6, 1080v6…. the list goes on and on. “Well dummy, you need to do a little research before you buy!” Good God, do you have any idea how many magazine articles I read and how many YouTube reviews I’ve watched?? The bottom line is most running shoes cost between $120 to $180, and they are selling us crap!

Runner’s World ironically just had a list of 6 shoes that were “plush rides” (read cushioned). I know for a fact the New Balance 1080 is at best medium soft like Sole Review said. I bought it! I ran in it! I know! Its not a soft shoe its a joke! If Runner’s World think its a soft shoe they either are lying or need to get in a new line of work! Their original Zante, a lightweight shoe, is softer then the “plush” 1080! Its insane! Never again. I will never buy another Saucony or New Balance. Brooks? Maybe… you’ve stiffed me on so many shoes…. Here’s a list of the absolute dogs:

  1. Brooks Ghost 8
  2. Brooks Glycerin 11
  3. Saucony Kinvara 6
  4. Brooks Pure Flow 6
  5. New Balance 1080v6
  6. New Balance 1080v7
  7. Adidas Supernova M
  8. Hoka One One Bondi 5

Runner’s World reviews are worthless. They push a certain group of manufacturers and leave out the most obvious ones (in the above mentioned list of plush shoes they don’t include a single Hoka). On YouTube there’s a guy called ‘Ginger Runner’ (Ethan Newbury I believe), who seemed to have a fact based point system, but cost me a hundred bucks when he recommended a brick called the Kinvara 6! Fellow YouTuber Jamison Michael isn’t bad, but you have to read between the lines. He’s evidently getting free shoes too and doesn’t want to be overly honest.

One of the most glaring examples is the toe box on the Clifton 5 and the Bondi 6. Watching the You Tube reviews you’ll hear the reviewer say, “For the longtime buyer of this shoe you’ll be glad to know Hoka widened the toe box…” After 6 years they get the toe box right?? We pay $120 to $180 for most of these running shoes, and it takes them 6 years to get the toe box right?? Saucony is one of the worst for this, with their narrow little torture chambers.

Its too expensive to run with these wolves, they will eat you alive! There’s got to be a cheaper way to find a good shoe.    Sole Review

You gotta wonder what they’re thinking sometimes…


Brooks Ghost 11

Brooks finally gets it right with the Ghost 10, and what do they do? Muck it up with the Ghost 11! After trying the 6 and 8, the 10 seemed like the first truly cushioned Ghost. A great shoe to run in. Then I read they only continue their DNA BioMoGO Loft foam up to the mid-foot! The forefoot is firmer than the 10! They run into a problem because their Glycerin is their premier neutral cushioned running shoe at $150, so they have to keep it ahead of the Ghost at $120. So make it’s foam a little thicker and call it good. Don’t stop the Loft midway through the shoe!

Hoka One One (it goes back and forth from “oh nay oh nay” to “1 1”) comes out with the Bondi 6 and doesn’t put it in stores! Oh they will eventually, but for now they have some marketing strategy where you can only buy it online from their site. I don’t want to tell them their business, but you gotta think they’d sell more shoes if they put them in stores… me, I’m trying to help the brick and mortar.

New Balance wants me to buy the 1080v8 at $150 bucks. Yeah? The v6 was a dud. I’ll have to think long and hard on that one… (Forget it, the v7 is a hunk a junk, no way I’m buying the v8)

The other thing I can’t figure out is what is 1 company doing with 30 or 40 models of shoes? You need a light, medium and cushy shoe. You need it in road and trail. And you need it for a neutral foot and a support foot. That’s 12 shoes. Not 40. And once you find one that works don’t muck it up! Although I was never lucky enough to try it, from what I hear the original Clifton was the shoe to end all shoes! So very light, so very cushioned, they had to change it and never make it again!


New Balance 1080v8

[One of the best shoe review sites I’ve found is Sole Review . Unlike Runner’s World and some others, these guys don’t worry about offending the shoe manufacturers.]

 

Zante vs Clayton

Being a running shoe junkie you become something of a shoe expert by default. You can’t help it! You see the good, the bad and the ugly of the shoe world real quick. Two of the premier running shoe makers are New Balance and Hoka. I happened to luck out and get the original versions of both the Zante and the Clayton pictured above. Originals are good to get because invariably shoe companies make a very good shoe and then muck it up with “improvements”. I have yet to find a shoe where V2 wasn’t heavier and harder than V1.

As far as weight, both the Zante and the Clayton come in at 7.8 ounces (in a men’s 9 1/2). Very good for shoes that are also nicely cushioned. For the casual runner they will take you as far as you want to go. I wasn’t particularly enamored with either shoe starting off. I’d been running in shoes that were a little more cushioned, in the 9.2 – 10.8 ounce range. Shoes like the Ghost, Clifton, Air Zoom Span, Glycerin, NB 1080.

Supposedly lightweight shoes like the Kinvara and Pure Flow turned out to be a waste of money. Hard, tight, uncomfortable shoes. The Zante and the Clayton came in lighter and infinitely more comfortable for the feet. By wearing the bad ones, I began to see the virtues of the good ones. The Zante has the most unique cushioning. Its outsole and insole do a wonderful job of protecting your foot from the pounding, but you retain incredible feel for the road.

The Clayton is nicely cushioned, but you lose feel for the road by being slightly more protected from sharp underfoot protrusions. I suppose I would give a slight edge to the Zante as it just feels nicer on the foot. There’s nothing wrong with switching between the two either! And perhaps best of all, by getting them after the new models were out, I got the Zante for $65 and the Clayton for $104! Arch support? Slight edge to Zante. Tongue padding? Slight edge to Zante. Collar padding? Edge to Zante.

None of this is to say that this pair of lightweight, nicely cushioned shoes are the only way to go. What I am saying is that in their class I can’t imagine a better shoe (for the neutral runner). For my tastes, I’m starting to think my feet prefer the maximum cushioned ride of the Ghost 10. I’m also waiting to try the Bondi 5. I’m willing to give up 2 1/2 ounces in shoe weight to pamper my feet. But for those other times…

 

 

Brooks Ghost 8: 1 year later

The Ghost 6 got me into running, so when it wore out I went down to Emerhoff’s in Ames and got the Ghost 8 on clearance for $100 (the Ghost 9 was coming out 1 year ago so the they knocked $20 off the 8). My ignorance on shoes 1 year ago was almost total. I knew Brooks was a quality maker and I knew in vague terms that the Ghost was a quality shoe (4 years ago an article in central Iowa from a local seller had said the Ghost was a good shoe for people who ran 10-15 miles a week). Little did I know then there were many other considerations when selecting a shoe (were you skinny, were you heavy, did you have flat feet, did you need room for orthotics…). Lucky for me the Ghost was for neutral runners of average height and weight.

1 year later there are several things I’ve noticed about the shoe having run in it for approximately 100 miles. It has the best lateral control of any shoe I have due to the supportive upper well in unison with a solid outsole. There is no fear on corners. I corner like a bulldog heading for the supper dish. Ain’t nothing taking me out. I may not be a greyhound on the straightaways, but ain’t nobody gonna beat me on the corners in the Ghost 8. You also feel the bottom of your feet are very well protected and supported. Looking at the outsole, I would guess the rubber has another 75 to 100 miles on it. Not bad. One thing that concerned me shortly after my purchase was the weight. Coming in at 10.9 / 11.0 ounces, the Ghost 8 was a good 2.0 plus ounces heavier than my Zante. (The Ghost 10 is supposed to come in at 10.4 ounces and have a softer ride.)

After going through my obsession for lightweight shoes this past year, I no longer have the concern for the weight of a substantial shoe. While I like to have a light shoe in my rotation, there’s something nice to be said for a supportive and protective shoe. The other thing I’ve noticed from a durability perspective is that with its strategically placed overlays, no toes are going to be wearing through the top or the sides, the upper is reinforced. the toe box is perfectly roomy. If you have a wide foot, guess what? Get a EE. If you’re 220 pounds, guess what? Get  the Brooks Beast. Don’t ask a shoe to do what it isn’t designed for. A lithe 20 something isn’t going to have the same requirements as someone whose feet have been abused for 40 years.

And as far as weight, get an electronic kitchen scale for about $15 bucks and get a better idea about weight factors. A hair more than 1.5 ounces separate a “lightweight” shoe like the Clifton 3, and a heavier shoe like the Ghost. 9.2 ounces and 10.9 respectively. What is the ‘real world’ impact of 1.5 ounces? 1.5 ounces happens to be the weight of 2 ankle socks. I extended my shoed foot with my eyes closed, and had a pair of socks put on the toe to see if I could detect the weight of 1.5 ounces. Maybe, not sure, it was never definitive. One thing I am sure about, is what happens to your feet if you run in a cheap shoe. The end of  your running career and a detriment to your health. There are other things to consider than 1.5 ounces. As noted earlier, protecting the bone structure of the foot on corners and from ground obstacles on the bottom is one of them.

Another thing to consider is price, and not letting shoe manufacturers get away with charging a $150 dollars or more for a shoe they made in Vietnam or China for $5 bucks. 2 of my favorite shoes are made by New Balance and Brooks for $100 and $120 respectively. Those same two companies also make two very fine shoes (the 1080 and the Glycerin) for $150 dollars. I personally am not going to support that. Certainly not when really good shoes are available for a lot less (Nike Air Zoom Pegasus 34: $110 dollars). And the same expensive shoe when it is outgoing at the end of a model year can be had for discounts of 20% – 35% off. The “daily trainer”. There’s a lot to think about, and its a lot to ask of 1 shoe to fulfill all roles. I’d make it 2 shoes.

[Got the Ghost 10 ordered today at Emerhoff’s. Due in Saturday or Monday. The excitement is palpable.]

 

Sunday morning with Kinvara 6!

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Interesting shoe. The lightest I have at 7.9 ounces. Beautiful morning for a test run. Saucony Kinvara fits tight on your feet. Every previous shoe I’ve ever had fits like a 9.5 American. This tight fit loosens up some with each mile. The snug fit is appreciated on corners especially, no perceived risk of sliding off your shoe base. You corner well. You also have to figure its going to expand a little with wear, like breaking in a new pair of gloves.

I hadn’t planned on getting a new pair of running shoes before winter, but when I saw these prior year shoes (Kinvara 7’s out now) on Amazon for $72.61, I couldn’t pass them up. A lightweight shoe is what I’m into. A Hoka One One Clayton purchase is planned for the spring. When you flip the shoe over and press on the heel with your thumb, it is definitely a firmer heel then the Clifton, Zante or Ghost. But then, few people have an actual ‘heel strike’. The rest of the sole is quite soft.

I’ll be curious to see how they feel as the miles accumulate. Right now it is a nice shoe, but the Clifton’s actually feel rejuvenating for your feet as you run. The Kinvara’s let you run forever! They are lightweight shoes built for running lots of miles! I also think the edge might go to the NB Zante for comfort ahead of the Kinvara. Also the New Balance supports American manufacturing more, though I’m not sure to what degree. I’m still searching for the shoe that takes 40 years off your legs.

[I ended up either throwing these away or giving them away. Hard and tight is not what you want for a running shoe. Ginger Runner on YouTube as an example just raves about Kinvara, all I can think is there’s a financial incentive. I’d be embarrassed to make something so bad. In over 20 pairs of running shoes its the only one that couldn’t get the size right, not to mention their sole was so hard it was a traction hazard.]

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